Welcome to Open Late, a deep dive into all things relationships. Let’s explore the multi-faceted, frequently misunderstood, dynamics of polyamory and what being “open” even means. Each week you’ll hear all about host Jess Esfandiary's personal journey with Opening Up, and uncovering the deep, complicated, and occasionally kinky layers of our hearts as expressed in the ways we love others and ourselves.

In this episode of the Open Late Podcast, Jessica reconnects again with Shelby Terrell, an intimacy coordinator and current MSW Candidate, on the path of becoming a sex and relationship therapist.

They explore the experiences of growing up as Mormons and the challenges of reconciling their personal beliefs with the faith. They candidly discuss the shame associated with sexuality, particularly masturbation, and how it affected their self-perception and relationships. Likewise, they emphasize the importance of embracing vulnerability to promote healing and personal growth.

Deconstructing traditional relationship norms, they share their own journeys of self-discovery and finding fulfillment outside societal expectations. Shelby opens up about her marriage coming to an end, and the episode also touches on the concept of an ideal relationship, the benefits of couples therapy and deeper understanding of vulnerability's power in breaking down barriers and cultivating meaningful connections.

In this episode of Open Late:

> The Experience of Growing Up as a Mormon
> The Nuances of Self-Gratification and difference between private vs shameful
> Deconstructing Conventional Relationship Ideals
> Embracing Self-Discovery and Sexual Fulfillment
> Exploring the Realm of Kinky and BDSM

Connect with Jessica:
Instagram: @journey.with.jessica | @openlatethepodcast
Website: openlatepodcast.com | jessicaesfandiary.com
YouTube: Open Late Podcast

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